The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, http://outdoorpowerinfo.com/engine_specs/kohler_valve_clearances.asp, http://www.kohlerengines.com/engines/onlinecatalog/pdf/32_690_01_EN.pdf, Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. I have one also but have not had a starting issue yet. funny topic, cause i am just sitting down after dealing, and still dealing with my little crawler motor and too much compression. I was turning the engine by hand and commented that it didn't have any compression. Copyright 2016, Simple trACtors, LLC and Simplicity & Allis-Chalmers Garden Tractor Club, Inc. Front Axle Assembly for Large Frame Tractors. Sure would help if you could make up my mind for me. The single Courages aren't awful, but with the thin cover plate and deep sump are tagged "bucket engines"- and especially by those who have had a cracked block. How much compression should a 18 HP Briggs and Stratton have? (I mean engaging the starter until it stopped, then release the key and do it again). Come join the discussion about farming, lawn maintenance, restoration, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! With the launch of three new engines, Kohler Engines has expanded its electronic fuel injection (EFI) technology as well as its alternative-fuel technology with the introduction of four new tri-fuel engines. The engine turns over good with the spark plugs removed and the valve lash is set at .004 on both sides. It is a Courage, by that Kohler meant you needed a lot of Courage to run one! Dont know a great deal about small engines..and maybe am dealing with a worn "lobe" as mentioned above..will keep searchin.. That was causing starter to have problem turning the engine over. I was able to confirm operation spinning the engine over by hand. AT4X versions of the GMC Sierra and Canyon. Nice! Is your cub cadet like mine and will act like it has a bad battery and you have to press the starter button several times before the starter will turn the engine over? I had planned to take the starter apart but will adjust the valves first. To solve all the issues, all you need to do is to replace the ignition coil. But my timing is acurate checked dynamically with a timing light :>. Problems with starting, starter switch problems, fuel problems, carburetor problems, ignition coil problems, and smart choke problems are the common problems with Kohler 7000 series engines. A workshop friend rotated it in his lathe and we could gradually tap it back into alignment. JavaScript is disabled. It may not display this or other websites correctly. My plan was to swap my 16hp Briggs over, but curiosity got the better of me and I started digging into the poorly swapped Kohler/ Cub Cadet 16hp that someone had swapped in. Category: Small . A bigger air filter, an oil filter, and a fuel filter are all included in the PRO Series. One other thought, the K181 and M8 are the only engines that when the connecting rod starts to knock, the cap bolt can rub on the camshaft and break it. I run into at least 2-3 customer machines every season, same problem. I'm at a loss as to why it starts so hard. Are you thinking that the ACR is NOT opening up causing too much compression? If I remember correct that's mentioned in the IH service manual for the 1X6 1X7 series. . I have yet to even pull a valve cover to look at the valves. Check the spark plugs, ignition switch, and gas solenoid. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. The most common way to measure compression pressure is to use a pressure gauge screwed into the spark plug hole, then crank the engine with the starter. JavaScript is disabled. Oslo, make sure to replace the old fuel if there is old fuel. After pulling mine off I see it had 13 teeth. I have a cub cadet lawn tractor with a 23hp kohler courage engine (mod #sv720s. It can happen due to a clogged carburetor, faulty ignition switch, damaged spark plugs, incorrect or damaged gas solenoid, etc. The only way to repair the ACR is to remove the cam. Tried several things, then found the compression release was sticking. Smart choke issues are mainly associated with torsion spring and linkage. Fixed the problem every time. To my amazement, it started and ran well (and has since). You must log in or register to reply here. After checking the flywheel key for shearing, I swapped the coil with a "traditional" coil to rule out the SAM module. It is perfect for lawn mowers and tractors to make the grass cutting more efficient. When you figure something out, let us know what you find. I found a cam shaft ARC (automatic compression release), that was in better shape than the one in my engine. Kohler Command compression release operation - YouTube 0:00 / 0:38 Kohler Command compression release operation kb1gni 321 subscribers Subscribe 71 Share Save 115K views 11 years ago This. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. Pollack Pete, February 22, 2012 in Engines. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Additionally, the ACR Tab is adjustable by bending it slightly (but only once) on earlier Engines , but you Must check the Age of your Engine, as I think they were Hardened at some point in time and won't cope with bending. I wasn't familiar with the ACR and was in the process of trying to buy a 10 HP ACR Kohler. I have replaced the compression release on the single. Unofficial Home of Old Simplicity & Allis-Chalmers Garden Tractors. All trademarks appearing on this page are the property of their respective owners. I have a JD LT133 with a Kohler Command 13hp. It was readily apparent. That will make absolutely no difference as each pushrod sits on its own cam. It's easy. The motor would not start due to the compression release tab on the crank was bent down and not allowing the engine to release compression during starting. Trademark Office. It has all the advanced features that makes the maintenance easy. If the fuel is okay, then check the fuel filter. So, you can choose the Kohler 7000 engine for your machines without any doubt. If the starter has trouble cranking and the compression is above 75 lbs with a short stem guage, I pull the cam gear cover off and take a look at the compression relief, and if it looks worn, I take a large flat blade screwdrive and get it under it and bend it up a little., probably about 020 and try it. I think it is the compression release has stopped working. He did a permanent repair on one of those broken Courage motors. JavaScript is disabled. I knew gman51 was talking about a SV Courage Kohler, the CV's & CH's have hydraulic lifters, no valve adjustment. Lets hope that this trend continues! Often best way to identify and correct the cause of engine trouble is to think like a mechanic and use a systematic approach to problem solving. If not, think valve problems. My Courage engine is in a Husqvarna built and Craftsman branded garden tractor, so far it has been a flawless powerhouse of an engine. #8. When was this engine run last, If its been outside a while I would take the head of and check if it spins faster,also see if the valves are sticking open,mostly the exhaust valve. I have found several engines, that had quite a large number of hours on them but had never been worked on, that essentially had no valve clearance. Compression Release (ACR) mechanism. You are using an out of date browser. Otherwise the oil will expire and start clogging the pil filters and the carburetor and cause serious damage to the engine. Let others know what you find -you may have it done already. You must log in or register to reply here. Don't know much about your engine , I was looking at a parts diagram for the Kohler Courage 22 engine and was looking at the ACR (Automatic Compression Release) What you described about when removing the spark plugs, that then allows you to turn the engine over, To me that sort of sounds like the ACR isn't working . SMOKSTAK is a Registered Trade Mark in the U.S. Kohler compression release and valve clearance? Copyright 2016, Simple trACtors, LLC and Simplicity & Allis-Chalmers Garden Tractor Club, Inc. Front Axle Assembly for Large Frame Tractors. Powered by Invision Community, do you still have some coffee can mufflers? My Kohler Courage engine that 580 hours is the same as the day I bought it, and I've never changed a spark plug. It's a bit of simple fabricated brackets, but he made it permanent. First, identify the problem you've encountered with your engine, then rule out each potential cause. You are using an out of date browser. Thanks for your thoughts! You must log in or register to reply here. Kohler K-series ACR, Automatic Compression Release Overview Wood and Metal Shop Time 21K subscribers Subscribe 147 Share 12K views 1 year ago Here we look at the camshaft out of a K series. It is possible that the intake valve is stuck open. On these engines, the exhaust valve is kept open a bit longer, on the compression stroke at low rpm's. My engine has a production date of 11-2005 and the tractor is a Cub Cadet Super LT 1550 . Quick and easy to do on the OHV Briggs. I loosen, recentered, retightened and put the valve cover on. The owners manual calls for a 230 amper hr battery , a new smaller one will not start it when new. JavaScript is disabled. I did notice that the HG seems to be leaking again (I just did it), however I neglected to bring it to a machine shop or toss it on a piece of sandpaper on glass because "it's just a tractor." Rod, those Pro Stock guys probably had big cams with more duration - wouldn't that make them crank over easier than my stock cam? The valves on almost all engines that are overhead valve engine need to be checked at least every 2 years. I would start with a valve adjustment and see what happens. I have fixed a number of these through the years. Dec 10, 2015 / Kohler compression problem, post head gasket and valve adjustment #2 remove spark plug take the rocker cover off, get a pencil, straw or similar to shove down the plug hole. The most common way to measure compression pressure is to use a pressure gauge screwed into the spark plug hole, then crank the engine with the starter. If it is bad or expired, drain it and refill it. We've listed some common problems and potential causes below. The engine runs good. It is definitely much harder to turn past compression than one with a functioning compression release. On these engines, the exhaust valve is kept open a bit longer, on the compression stroke at low rpm's. I was able to confirm operation spinning the engine over by hand. have cooked the original starter, 6v, so had an extra 12v sg from one of my allis's so welded up a bracket/mount and put that in hopin it would solve the problem. i am looking for 2 of them, Lloyd I bought a solar and a 110 volt and they are both from Tractor Supply, I think the 110 volt one is good for a mile. I cleaned it up and fixed the mysterious increase in compression! Have had issues with the underpowered starters getting weak over time and not having enough umph to turn it over proper. Powered by Invision Community. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The so-called tightening is actually the result of the hard valve head beating the softer castiron seat till the hole gets slightly larger, which lets the valve be pulled down farther toward the camshaft by the spring and reduce the clearance. Sadly that didn't help the hard start. Check your valve adjustments, too wide and not tripping the compression release uglyblue66 Subscriber Last Subscription Date 10/05/2022 Nov 13, 2022 #6 make sure the crankcase is not full of gasoline But valve adjustment is a good start. and it starts to fire it fires too soon and kicks back against the starter. skip to main content . If the springs fail, the ACR is deactivated, meaning that the engine will be under full compression all the time, and hard to start. Are you sure you are following the correct procedure to adjust valves? The valve is then closed, and the engine usually starts instantly. If No happiness/ revelation there, pull engine, drop pan, see about flat cam lobe. Well when I was talking to the guy up the street that repairs mowers he told me it was caused by the valves being way out of adjustment so they weren't releasing combustion. They use the valve and spring, and machine the valve seat into the adapter. The twin starter is longer with the same OD, but Rod you are right you can't assume it has more power than the K starter just becasue it's bigger. This pro engine also features a fuel filter, oil filter, and air filter, which are very large than found in the usual tractor engines. How could it get bent? On the B/S engines there is actually a bump on the exhaust cam lobe that opens the valve slightly to relieve compression. I suppose the intake wasn't opening enough which is why it was inconsistent even with a shot of go juice. It will pop up slightly on the compression stroke. im not totally sure but you may be able to pop the head off and take a peek,or feeler gauge and check the valve to see if its slightly open,but as mentioned make sure your starter,and wires are good,maybe run a direct positive to the starter from a known good source,like your car or one of the hundred other tractors you have ,just kidding but i would try this before opening anything up,and if its the acr,you will have to tear her down pretty far. I've not had an ACR failure on a Courage twin.The starter has been updated a few times by Kohler to have more torque. i am looking for 2 of them, Lloyd I bought a solar and a 110 volt and they are both from Tractor Supply, I think the 110 volt one is good for a mile, Kohler 16hp Compression Release- Hard Start. Thanks! Or if it is too damaged, then replace it. That's why I was asking OP if they ever figured it out. Scott may be gone from this old thread, I was just starting it up again to report back. A forum community dedicated to all tractor owners and enthusiasts. Sadly still have too much compressionevery 4th stroke or so starter hangs. To solve the carburetor issue you need to check the fuel pump. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. KC9KAS..Your right on the Money with your understanding of the ACR . If my dog doesn't like you, there's a good chance I won't either. Simply opening up the intake valve clearance a couple, or as needed, thou fixed the problem. I also removed the valve cover to check the valves/ compression release. remove spark plug take the rocker cover off, get a pencil, straw or similar to shove down the plug hole. #2; this time with head off pull exhaust valve and check seat recession. Thanks. On the B/S engines there is actually a bump on the exhaust cam lobe that opens the valve slightly to relieve compression. Believe me you will learn about them. When you experience issues like emgine vibrating excessively, poor fuel economy, loss of power, noise, hard starts and stalling etc. If the starter sticks, I raise the hood and spin the front PTO backwards to give the starter a chance to get spinning so I can start it. KIOTI DK45S. The fuel problems can be resolved by cleaning the engine and its components. scott. You are using an out of date browser. First, identify the problem you've encountered with your engine, then rule out each potential cause. And there can be a lot of reasons for this problem. I went through several parts diagrams and there is apparently no compression release on the Courage v-twin engine. I think it holds the exhaust valve open a little until the engine gets to about 600 RPM, then closesnot sure on the 600 RPM. That engine doesn't have a compression release so valve clearance doesn't matter. At least it no longer jammed. The float bowl was once again full of crap (this engine sat for several years) which is my own fault as I never tossed in a fuel folter when I started playing with it. We've listed some common problems and potential causes below. Valve lash service is suggested @ 300 hours much like many Kawasaki and Honda engines. Should you suspect valve lash, .004 TDC is set- further insert a feeler in between the rocker and valve end to mimick a compression release and try to crank again. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. I still suspect starter and/or wires. Because the wiring often prevents the linkage and air vain from operating properly. The 7000 Series features a large displacement (up to 747 cc) for big horsepower (up to 26 hp) and torque (up to 42.4 ft lb peak) to cut grass quickly and economically. Do not skip a step and jump ahead. I thought maybe the battery got weak, replaced it, starter going bad, replaced it with a known good one, starter switch going bad, replaced it! A weak fuel pump, plugged fuel filter or fuel line, or bad gas can cause carburetor problems. - Answered by a verified Technician . Once it got started it runs perfectly. They were notorious for coming apart. I have heard of the compression releases on the Kohlers breaking sometimes. Coincidentally, the following weekend a Deutz-Allis 916 (with hydro lift!) If it turns over but doesn't start, then I'd say that it is something other than the compression release. Ask a Mechanic Now. It starts on the first pop. grub54891 Registered Age 65 Last Subscription Date 06/08/2010 Nov 14, 2022 #7 Had one that did that. I am working on a neighbors mower that is very hard to turn over and wants to kick-back. Just an added note. (Brings Intek @ 100 hours ) As with many engines, if they aren't problematic on the compression release front- they aren't touched and probably don't need to be.Things to specifically know on the twins is never fill oil above the full mark, error on the light side- checking with the dipstick all the way in. Be careful not to overdue it. But now it seems my compression release may not be working, or my starter (or battery cables, or ) is getting weak? (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); By The Kohler 7000 series is a pro engine with 26 HP and a significant displacement that is up to 747 cc. The few issues it might have sometimes, are all an easy fix. It's easy! I have a 10 Hp B/S that no longer has the compression release. Grounding the ignition and removing the spark plugs, does it crank easily? The factories say every year. Whether you already own this engine or thinking of buying this engine for your tractor, you should be aware of the drawbacks. I can't speak from any valuable experience on Kohler decompression mechanisms but, I was shown by a local Briggs guy, who was shown by a Briggs rep, a fix for them. is this a single or twin cylinder. Oct 31, 2022 / Kohler courage v twin 23 hp compression release valve? This pro engine also features a fuel filter, oil filter, and air filter, which are very large than found in the usual tractor engines. Compression is at 125psi cold, with throttle wide open. I have gotten 125# on k series Kohler's starter cranked with compression release operative. Well I thought I had the starting problem fixed by the valve adjustments but nope I still have the problem on the sv Kohler in the Cub Cadet. I presume an assembler dropped the motor but put it in even though it was bent. Had one that did that. So now I had to figure out if they interchange. If troubles persist after checking the possible causes listed or you are unable to identify the problem, call KOHLER Engines Customer Service at 1-800-544-2444 or contact your local KOHLER dealer. But again my experience does not seem to mirror every owners. I doubt this is the fix for you but just thought it would be worth looking at another angle to the problem! The coil was one of those electronic SAM coils, that was definitely replaced "recently" by a PO. I had problems starting it till I installed a 51R battery in that tractor. I still have to keep a good belt on the starter-generator, because it really likes to slip when that engine hits compression. Wrapping a rope around a pulley on the engine and spinning it backwards to get an accurate compression reading. If piston rings are not sealing properly and/or valves are leaking, it will not develop full power and possibly use excessive amounts of oil. People often forget to fuel their engine and then worry about why it is not starting. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Kohler offers no build parts for these starters. It makes tremendous power for working on these steep hills and is an all-around awesome engine from my experience. Problems with starting are the most common problem of any machine. "BUT". Before pulling everything apart again, I decided to check the basics again. If you pull the head just watch the exhaust valve as you turn the engine over. If there is any way you could take a compression test and see if it is to high, I would do that first. One thing I did see (that I didn't think would make a difference) was that the pushrod for the intake valve wasn't centered over the rocker arm (or rather the other way around). Also it takes a strong battery to turn a 16hp over in warm weather. 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