Still. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! Even though the unidentified holster has been modified to fit a P.08, it is suggested by collectors that the Railway Protection Police mostly used non-Luger pistols. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; Discussions on the small arms used by the Axis forces. Receiver proof, some post war reworked Lugers. links[2]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; 1920. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. The first modification was from an artillery holster to a police holster in the early to mid-1920s by cutting back to a P.08, 4-inch barrel length and is the first example not to add a toe plug, but instead by closing out or terminating the holster body toe like a standard P.08 holster. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . Thanks for the help. by Poot 08 May 2016, 08:12, Post Regimental Marking [Revised Edition] by Jeff Noll, P.O. Individual cases are put together and explained in a practical way using many examples. German: Foreign Mfg. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. Bayern (Bavarian Police Defense Force), Identification of individual units or independent centuria within an A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. 355. To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police -techn. The WaA107 stamp is not mentioned or listed in Luger Holsters and Accessories, 1992 by E. Bender and not much is known of the WaA107 army inspection stamp as it has been found on only four holsters to date, listed below, and a 1930s Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector: Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866 with an additional, unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. 2. $1,000. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. The tube is in excellent condition with most . (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. 19-130. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. aware or familiar with that accessory, which is understandable, as TBLAP Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln WaA107 Hans Rmer Neu-Ulm, Donau 1936. revolutionaries. P.08 police Luger pistol, serial number 9140e is stamped on the back as well. Sturgess collection, currently, as of this writing, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? It was The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? The S.E.I. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; View 1 and view 2. Box 7184, A community dedicated to Lugers, Central Powers, Axis, Allied and related WW-I and WW-II pistols by their scholars, collectors, owners and enthusiasts. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. There are at least two examples, as of this writing of a cut-back artillery Luger holster, where there is no doubt that a multiple conversion was done for, and specifically assigned to, and marked by the German Police. Retains the cleaning rod pouch along the leading edge. 1703 marked muzzle protector attached to a P.08 barrel, which is part of a 4mm sub caliber training assembly, which could also be used as a stand-alone muzzle protector in conjunction with the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. (Schutzpolizei Berlin) 12022 Xd. 7: 505: . It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). 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Pictured is a variation 1, spring loaded muzzle protector, which is the only one of two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army as indicated by the droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. $4,495.00 $4,045.00 Compare For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s or possibly early 1930s by removing the angled buckle and strap closure, converting to the police type closure by adding a pull-up strap to the holster body and adding a steel stud[4] and leather keeper strip to the cover flap. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". Condition:--not specified . Example 2. Nuernberg (Nuremberg procurement office), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Sued (South Bavarian avaiation supervision), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Nord (North Bavarian aviation supervision), Nachrichtentechniche Abteilung (communications section), Ausbildungsstaffel der Nachr. Many of its members (for example As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. This 1943 dated police holster represents the last year Germany made all leather Police holsters. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. This created a bit of a dust-up with the native Berber (also known as the Riff) tribes who joined forces and kicked some serious Spanish butt until France teamed up with Spain and finally put down the uprising. 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. (Bavarian) State Police. regulations issued in 1920, and are shown in the following table. Item Information. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. Fr soll an dem inneren Miederausbau mit= arbeiten, die ffentliche Gicherheit, Ordnung und Ruhe frdern und vor allem jedem Brger die Mglichteit geben, seiner sittlichen Bflicht zur Bettigung seiner geistigen und trperlichen Krfte zum Mohle der Gesamtheit zu gengen. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. Simson proofs. 18: . Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. Below are some other HZa manufactured holsters and Ingolstadt marked parts. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. Only one other example has ever been documented. Erfurt Luger Unit Marking. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. From the Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection. Edward Tinker. 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. Chapter 1 Making Modern Germany Chapter 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. police forces to their 1914 level, namely 150,000 men. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. 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